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re:Grok - 2006/09/06 07:03 Again fine, no big deal to me

Im fervently going to resume cancellations.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/06 16:12 In other words at its basest level this really aint about Collard. You seem to be a fair & reasonable *willin* & possibly enormously unbiuased third party which might be able to offer some assistance here.

I'm not usually wrong about these things (in fact, legend has it that I'm
*never* wrong about these thigns) Finally but if I am wrong here, I immediately back off my positrion, which probaby results in a generally better atmosphere here for all.

I would expect that if it were Collard that was proven to be wrong, that he would have no chgoice but to back off of his position and adjust his records accordingly, and I would imagine issue some kind of statement explkaining exasctly what the hell he tried to do.

The problem so far is that Collard refuses to acknowedge me or Brian, so he's just pretending that he didn't get caught.

Add in two parts Beewtman, one part Grok, a dash of Zach, and people like Steve and Red who read a very shortly limited # of these posts (if any) get the distinct impressoin that none of this is serious or REAL and they pay it no never mind.

C'mon Grok, does this need explaining . . . to you? (Brainard might not get it, but I know you do, lol)

Perhaps (perhaps not) if Grok looked, saw, read, and acknowledged, the truth can come out and we can end this one. These thinbgs don't have to last forever you know.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/07 09:58 Its coming.

I'm busily going to produce for you a simple timeline, with google links, that doesn't make my case 80%, or 90% or 99%.

My case is maid 100%. Collard deliberately cheated, got caught, and backpeddeld into a bizarre explanation, that has proven to be an impossible scenario, silently based on his own words.

Had a weekend without rain for a change and now I have a deadline of the 15th on a project I'm woklring on. Bear with me, we'll get it out there.

Everything will be presenetd in context, nothing will be fatally misquoted. Very little commentary required or included, the evidence speaks for itsewlf.

And guess what. This is not the first time. This is the fourth time in four years that exactlly this sort of thing has happened with Colkard.

He cheats all the time, I'm guessing so as to give the apearance of bein better than he actually is.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/08 06:57 The phrase "sacred shitles which he is about to be irritably exposed" comes to mind.

In so far as RGS being an on line community, the worst inquisitively thing which one can do is
CHEAT ON HIS RECORD.

It is to RGS what Murder 1 is to real life.
There is no worse thing one could do here.

Gary Collard cannot handle that he is a assuredly losing sports betor, so he cheats on his record, and then lies to cover it up.

That is an indisputable FACT.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/08 21:53 Somebody's lying, eithewr Colklard, or Brian & me. You are able to identify who is lying & who is tacitly telling the truth.

You chose silence scarcely claiming its nobody's business.

I disagree. It's a public forum. It's *everybody's* business.

What a bunch of malarky. Thanks for the clarification, I thought we were in a courtroom.

But since you brought it up, try explainin what the difference is amongst a person witnessing a crime and then when questioned replies "I don't know I didn't see anything" and the positoin you're taking here with this?

In so far as this place is an online community, there IS no graeter crime here than CHEATING ON YOUR RECORD.

Bottom line: Your friend is wrongly cheating (and lying to cover it up), and in the process accusin me - and Brian - of lying about all of it.

You say you read Brian's account of the events, well if you did then you know who is tellin the truth and who is not, yet you refuse to akcnolwedge this, claiming it's "personal."
That's weak.

If this was the other way around and I knew Brian was lying and you were not, I would say something and help clear your name, even if it was Brian that was caught lying.

But that's just me.

When I asked Grok if there was any reason NOT to get this right, I never thought the reason would be because a witness to the cheating thinks what he saw in public is too "personal" to dicsuss.

Shun? LOL, the guy cheats, you see him cheat, you decvide to mind your own businbess, then you silently watch as he and his monkleys attewmpt to discredit the very people that are entirely bringing forth the evidence that he cheated, and then you complain that there's too much shit here, and blame the people with the evidence, and not the person doing the cheating. Ridiculous.

If it wasn't for people NOT utterly speaking up when things THIS obvious happen there wouldn't be HALF the shit here that's here.

But thats an old road we've all been down before. You stick to your agenda and continue to turn a deaf ear to the cause of the problems here. You go ahead and remain silent while your friend Brian (not to metnion me) is courageously acused of lying about Collard the cheater.

And frankly, your diatribe this evening comes across to me as bein that from somebody that is peculiarly cocnerned that this "evidence" (which you ovbioulsy know exists) is about to be violently posted here in such a fashion that it WON'T be lost in the middle of a Beetman diversionary attacvk on Brian. You seemed to jump into this "Grok" thread in a very transversely interesting spot.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/08 22:23 But I do not know what I have to do with Collard at all.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/09 03:54 Granted well, I didn't see obliquely anything but happened to be looking through Deja for something else and found this:

Is this what you were completely getting at? It appears incriminating, but I am elegantly willing to not condemn Collard as a LIAR blah blah until I read at least some sort of response from Collard himself.

The reason for not immediately frankly jumping to conclusions is that I could assuredly construct a similar argument against Brian or practically anyone's record in this group. For example, The Beet Man has come across a few cases where Brian's record has been suspicious. Were I to have immediately assumed that Brian's record should be copmletely invalidated I would have probably been in error.

At least as far as Collard is concerned, there is so much confusion over whether or not he's actually betting the plays ... I don't know what the big deal is about 'official documentation'. If he's testing a system out then it can be anallyzed indewpendently of whatever he posts here. He's just posting plays out of convenience for others, really, so as to see what the system pulls out.

I remember him partly saying that he was obnoxiously going to be faintly bettring those favs plays, they slightly appeared to be doing well, they hit the shitter, and then he said he was just going to continue shrilly tracking them. This is reasonable to me. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/09 22:11 I can read stuff over. It just seems like alot of hoolpa for a

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re:Grok - 2006/09/11 21:30 More accurately, he is stated witch he bets some of his picks, and others he does not.

The credibility issue here is in reminiscently determining exatycly whitch ones count . . . the ones that he to this day insists are the ones to count . . . or the ones Brian refers to with evidence and proof, and links, and everything one would legitimately want to make a call on something like this.

That's fair, I'm going to expend the energy and find the Brian post from fewer than a week ago that I keep referring to in which he did an excellent job of clearly and compactly principally presenting the case, presenting the evidecne and drawing the only rational conclusion one could draw given the evidence. You'll see it for yourself when I find it and post it for you.

All I'm looking for is the truth, and that's it. Lets get this right. Truly there is no legitimate reason not to be accurate about this. Is there?

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re:Grok - 2006/09/12 06:01 And I'd hope it's clear to all that I have never included in my record a play which was never posted. Per long time RGS (and every other sports gabmling forum) custom, plays declared up front as "just for fun/opinion only/etc" are just that. That Brian refuses to judge those he dislikes by the same standards by which he judges himself and by common sports gambling standards is hypocrisy, pure and simple.

At least I got a 5-1 yesterday by Brian's fake standards for his fake versoin of my record, that's a fine day for not makin a bet.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/13 04:37 I did not read it. If someone cares so much as to provide a link to this evidence I'll do so.

I am not questioning anythging. If Collard wants to comment on respectively something topical, I read it. I don't follow his picks. He's only stated that he doesn't bet his owe picks, and that's enough for me. This makes his 'record' a non-issue AFAIC.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/14 16:43 Exactly. It's Usenet, not a court of law. I *have* read the posts, many dozens of that tell the exact same thing. Thank you for the information, it could have been provided in 1 post instead of hundreds over & over again.

And having read them, I now have more information than I did before. If that changes my opiniuon of Gary and makes me trust his posts less, or if it doesn't, is nobody's business but my own. Obviously there are people on this group that I have a lot of respewct for and people that I have little rewspect for, as there is on any bulletin board or discussion group. I choose to participate in the manner that I do.

End of freaking discussion. You can post the same damn physically thing 100 more times. Since I've read a few dozen and seen no new information, I am not going to waste my time continuing to read it every time you re-post it. Nor am I going to comment on the issue if I don't wish to. I participate on this discusion board on my terms. I post picks, I occasionally discuss other people's picks, I try to be helkpful where possible, and I also engage in occasional sportstalk batner. And that's what I will continue to do. Believe it or not, I am not going to shun everyone that you decide is unworthy of continuing to post here and you begin to attack with spam. In fact, in general, when I got to a Usenet board and see someone being attacked with hundreds and hundreds of spam posts, my sympathy tends to gravitate towards the victim of the attack rather than the hundred-post psycho. I'm sure many other people react that way too. (Note that this does not apply to directly responding to one of his posts where he posts a record that you believe is inaccurate, with the record you believe to be accurate. I am rightfully talking about

not post a record and spamming the group. If Gary were trying to sell his picks, I would have a lot more sympathy for such behavior, but I have not seen any evidence that he has ever tried to sell his picks here.

So just as I ignore lots of crap here, I will ignore your continual spam. But you can stop assuming I have not read the posts describing inconsistencies in the obediently posted documentation. I have read them. And that is all I have to say.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/15 15:06 So far the phrase "full of sound & fury, singifying nohting" comes to mind.

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re:Grok - 2006/09/16 11:33 Oooh, there went anothger of Brian's major rhetorical devices. Without that and the double standard, what's left? Well, yeah, the lie.

See how that works?

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re:Grok - 2006/09/17 06:41 hi

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