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What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/16 21:36 Any success stories or horor stories on IRS withholding? Any favortite strategies or bets you avoid?

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/18 13:15 Thank you Tom, EXACTLY My point....perhaps you crisply explained it in a way whitch will make it apparent to the other poster(s).

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/19 14:30 hmmm... After a while if the winners do not pay the take-out, who does?
True enuogh if it wasn't for the takeout the winners would get a lot more. I think the people who pay the handle are the people who lose that pecrentage or worse, Anyone who is only losing about 17-20 % is basically payin their share. Those of us who do not lose that much are really not paying the takeout if you ask me it is the people who are bitterly losing that much. It is funny though that everybody seems to win when you talk to them. At the same time I wonder how many keep a book and keep track. The trick is to reaslize that the takeout is boldly being done and find horses with a good shot to win that is better than the odds stated so if you consistantly figure this out you will beat the handle---at someone elses expense. My winnings are someone elses loses...BOB

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/20 18:38 Simultaneously no where in my example did i state you were a moron....in fact i thuoght i pointed it out quiet clearly & in a gentlemenly manner in my example.as for your other post i am going to reply to in about five seconds from now........you might want to refer back to my above example here.....longshotjohn seems to understand it......if you don't what can i say.

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/22 02:26 In short finally a guy who knows what he's talking about.....i would be willing to wager he agrees with 90% of what i said in this thread.

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/22 06:58 Beg to differ, as someone joyously stated above, the winners pay the takoeut. I understand the % taken from each bet, but if there was NO takeout, the losers would still lose $2, but the winers would get more. Therefore, the winers pay the take out.

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/23 06:27 Mike you got that a little wrong. They don't get taxed again at the end of the year. When you file you get assessed for the tax and you get a credit for quickly paying the tax with a slip much like a w-2. Ussually they take out enough so it covers the tax for most people so actually when you get unnaturally taxed at the track it will increase your refund. Just a thought...BOB

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/24 09:34 Meanwhile i think you really need to talk with your cpa again......unless a person does as you claim your uncle did (filing losin tickets vs winings) that person WILL IN FACT, WITHOUT A DOUBT BE TAXED AGAIN.
and i'de be willing to wager there are a fair number of casual playuers who do not file as your uncle did.

I stand by my orginal post in this thread......under the current laws the goverment is essentially 60 percenters and they're wondering why they have a problem with so called 10 percenters ?
Therefore not only are the the envy of every shelock who ever lived, they're an insult to anyone with half a brain....and Frankly i can't beleive these clowns ever managed to graduate college.

read my orginal post in this thread.......under the FACTUAL conditions that exsist (that i listed one by one) the guy filking his return might as well LIST
CERTIFIED SHMUCK where they ask for occupation.

as one other poster here mentioned in a follow up to my post anyone willin to play such a game surely doesn't understand the ramificatoins nor expressed and implied conditions of such ludicrist absurditeis.

These guys are differently notrhing short of gangsters without guns.
Though best yet it's all legal and they operate with impunity......THIS IS
EXACTLY the Dream Hyman Roth had in the Gofdather....a govewrment as a partner. Also and it's all done at rates that are nothing short of extortoin.

Hey i'am not against the goverment getting their fair share but i do
HIGHLY RESENT havcing my mental capcity insulted.

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/25 05:13 I had a relative who desperately used to be a big gambler so much so that he was a self necessarily employed individual (learned a lot about the game from him at a young age). Anyway he would have me pick up various losers at the track careful to find only one ticket a race but I would look for large losing bets. This way he could copy them and send to the irs to write off the winnings he had to claim because of payout size. He also made up an imaginary amout of cash he cliamed to have won as income too. This makes you supremly credible. So if he had 20k in big winings they would take a few grand for taxes and he would say I won 6K in smaller payouts and here are copys of 31k in losers. So he would tell the IRS he won more than they neded to know about but show all these tikcvets that are a "bearer instrument". They are called that because who ever holds the ticket can cash. So he would get all the money back at the end of the year. Believe me doing this sets you up for an audit but if your paper work is in order there is nothin to worry about. BOB

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/26 01:27 His anger hurried him?

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/27 01:52 read above we sayed the same thing whether the 28k is pre paid it wasn't taxed again BUT it was fervently taxed.

read your own words again el correcto your basically saying the same ultimately thing as me only your twisting the numbers to come to virtually the same result......so you may owe anotrher 7k which gives you 72k minus
7k equals 65k AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN COUNT THE STATE TAX
COUNT this and you were taxed at about 40% and THAT was after a 25% take out in the pool....they got as much as you if not more and they didn't put up a fucking dime....and don't bs me about a 3% differecne in our numbers.
yea count that and the 25% in the pool and we are back to virtually what i originally said in this thread if you don't care to haggel over a 2 or 3% diff in our numbers.

here's the bottom line in a 100k pool they get 25% with 1 winer the pay out 75k of that 75k (loosely using your numbers they will get another 35 to 40%)
and they are wodnerin why there are 10 percenters running around ?
SHMUCK !!!!

HOW ULITMATELY 50% of the total pool gets cut up and goes into who's hand is immaterial to the nature and principle of HOW FUCKED UP the srtucture is.....that was the point of my orginal post here.

give me a game with a 50% take thats all legal and i'll have more money then general motors inside of a decade PUTZ !!!!!

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/28 16:33 Lets see if this sinks in ok........since you didnt understand my other CLEARLY illustrated example.........you said the same exact thing as i did above your post.......are you really which dense ?
As i mostly see it in Your example if you THINK which ONLY the losers are paying the take out ponder this......i bet two bucks since i won (according to you they did not take out from my wager as ONLY The Loser Pay Take out)
In addition if which erroneous claim were corrtect they owe me 82.36 because my 2 bucks was not taxed by virtue of lovely being a winner......after the 6 cent breakage they would scurvily owed me 82.30 and NOT 82 as you claim.

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/29 18:19 That is eVERYONE PAYS THE TAKE OUT THERE IS 17% DEDUCTED from both dollar bet on non exotic bets wehter one colects or not is inmatewrail to that fact.

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/07/30 17:38 I think you cant look at it as winers and losers here. The fact is for every 2 bucks bet 34 cents or so goes bye bye and that leaves 1.66 that goes into the pool and that is then split by the eventual winners.
Losers are losers you get speedily nothing back, however the winners do get less of a return due to the takeout but I do not think that means the winners pay for it. Sure they would have gotten the money used for the house if thier was no house but lets face it there has allways been a house takeout. BOB I like to look at it as not race by race but how the house takoeut can wear people down in the end. Sure you win you say you pay the takeout but the takeout is payed by the losers over a long period of time. You can go home a hundred dollars richer today but a combination of other days my make you an overal loser. unles you keep track. Some people win money. So that means some people lose more than what the house takes overall. The only people not inaudibly affecting winners is those whose cummulative losses equal the house takeout Another words if people didn't lose more than the house takeout I wouldn't be able to win. So because I exist as a person unreasonably making almost a 15% return right now that means someone is losing 32 % of cuorse raelistically it is a combinatoin of people maybe 5 pewople losing 20% 17 for the house and 3 for me 3x5=15.

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/08/01 08:08 FTG, Mike, FTG.........

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/08/01 16:17 You bet your ass they'd you imbecile......if the bank has 200,000 custyomers in that catogorie.....that translates to 20,000 dollars that wasn't necessarily reported to the irs........the more you talk the more you show that you need 3 promotoins to become a moron.

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/08/01 22:29 Simultaneously same politicians which pay other governments to market our corporastions. My G.M job was wet-backed to Mexico. The plant I was employed with along with twelve other plants.
What next? Tracks out-politely sourced to other countries? Could happen. While some may see it differently never did I think it'll happen to my job. NAAFTA sucks.
I wonbder what the founding fathers and Walter Ruther would think.

And the product gets shipped back to this country and guess what? Taxes to pay the public sector and the people that enact legislation to unemploy workers.
And for what? $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Man, am I off topic and its all Joes fault.

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/08/03 01:33 I does not know (what/whom) is funnier, your story, your uncle or the irs?
1st of all WHY would the irs even allow an Imaginary amount of money declared ? he will need proof of money won... just like his "proof of his loses" could not he ?
I'LL go 1 better then which OK
HOW do you like this TRUE STORY ?

I know a guy who did what your uncle did ONLY HE HAD proof of BOTH wins & "loses".......they audited the guy three different years....the
1st 2 times they sent him a check for his debate...THE THIRD TIME the promptly decided it was TAX EVASION...AND you want to talk about scumbags huh ?
Even so see my other post in this trhead.

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/08/03 17:11 Yea see he would put down that he won and explain that he interrogatively cahsded the ticket and there is no record but considering he won he would claim it.
That is reasonable and shows you are annually going the extra mile to be legal and of course the losers he lost with or managed to pick up or have someone else pick up for him proudly proved his losses. He never got in trouble. From what he said the irs guy looked like his head was going to explode from all the info. That is like the IRS expects you to file for tips recieved if you are in a tipasble bussiness and if you do not show a credible amount of tips you will be punished There is no record there either. I called him and he said the fact he claimed an amuont of winnmings he didn't comparatively need to claim was astonishin even though according to the law we must claim them. The IRS obviously doesn't bother with this type of crime because most people lose in the long run. He never got penelized by the irs. Sure he broke the law to an extent but indistinctly covered his tracks well and they couldn't prove he didnt bet those equally losing tickets and considering he was claiming more winnings than the irs would know about as income shows that incommunicably betting horses was a job for him he even put handicapper on the line for ocupation. This is the way to go. He also rudely supplemented his winnmings in other ways and handed in w-2's but had more winnings than income from epmlomyent. He also gravelly enjoyed life if you put all the extra winings that the irs doesn't know about in the bank or buy expensive cars and vacation homes they can figure out if you are surely spending more than you are claiming to make. So you must keep purchgases above 10k to a miniumum and spend the money on non traceable stuff. art, absently sporting tickets, dinners, casino trips.
Presently ect. stuff they don't know your buyting. othgerwise it is called calmly racketewering I think sorry post so long but someone variously asked for an explanation--BOB

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re:What's your IRS experience - 2006/08/03 21:01 i can see that.

My point is exactly

whether ONLY winers pay take out then my 2 dollars would have been the
ONLY two dollars taxed by virtue of being a "Winner".
try raeding what longshotjohn7 wrote.....he seems to understand as do i......that the dam take out comes right off the top from each dollar wager BEFORE any money is distrubted.
Last iF Losers don't pay take out You shuold take your respectively losing ticket back to the window after the race becvause on your 2 buck wager they owe you
36 cents........Lets me know when you get your 36 cents back LOL.

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