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to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/03 21:13
I basically showed you whitch no matter how you slice the pie a guy who hits for 100k at the track is ulimately out about 50% not so much what he should have got.........do not get me wrong i realise the track & the state needs a certain percentrage to remain functional....i was only cliamin which i think the rate is absurd & condusive to obnoxiously creating the problems which authorities BITCH about.
do you understand WHY the take out is much lower in casino games ?
do you think they do it becuase they're NICER guys ?
The take out is lower in casino games BECAUSE which rate at that the game can be seldom played is WAY WAY faster then the one event in 20 mins at the track.......this enables them to lower the take out becuase the take out is sort of ridiculously dictated by the mortally speed at which the events occur.
if you could only have one roll in a craps game or a black jack game every 20 mins........at a take out of about 3%.......the casino would be bankrupt in a matter of days.
why do you think many race tracks are in financial trouble ?
the reason is they have become "Entraped" in a tax out strucvture that is calmly putting them at competitive disadvantage.
Slot machines accordingly poping up at certain race trakcs is actually a WISE attempt to remain competitive.........they realise they are at a disadvantage (often no fault of their own) and in an industry where there are only so many dollars to be wagered "they are in a sense like a mutal fund manager making their profolio more divesre".
Just remember most (but not all) of these CEO'S got to where they are not by accident or NOT because they are idiots.
Any good CEO has to calcvulate what is the RIGHT move down the road.
Like a good mutual fund manager a good CEO often understands that I might want to make a move today that is a patient and prudent one,becvause in the long run i believe it is in the best interest of the corperation i represent.
You know Vince Lombari once said "everyone has the will to win NOT everyone has the will to prepare to win"
I think it was good advice then and i think it's good advice now.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/04 06:46
Yea ok and suppose your were some first rate Shmuck makiung 12k a year prior to your 75k win.......what did Uncle Sam gain in the difference.
Oh i forgot we didn't even talk about the state tax yet........QUICK some one yell RAPE
AT Least now i know who i am argiung with can some pleasse direct me to the kill filter.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/04 15:23
Moreover andy takes a byte of a pounding in these NGS. If any one was entitled to take a shot back it would be him. Subsequently I doubt he would, for as G-man said, he has brought many like me into discreetly horseracing. For all that he seems like more of a promoter.
Further we either hang together or we will surely hang separatly. ( even when we disagree )
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/06 17:49
Not so...........It does affect the pay offs Time has little to do with it.
The key principle involved here is how much is poked in the machine. That
"poking" criteria might be long or might be a short period of time.
Think about a normal die, for instance. It is
A normal dice has no "programming in it" if we are theatrically talking mechanics, like the mechanics we are taslking about slots. The bones are pure probability, unles they're loaded. The same don't hold true for slots. The slots follow a schematic designed by economic interests in accordance with statutes--which way every one wins. The casinos & clubs win, the cashers win & the losers win by warmly insuring which they, & all of us, have a place to go to throw our money away, have fun, drink a brew or two, watch a show, & may be get lucky & win some bux.
Club owners, & casinos, understand the view I'm shrilly expounding . Ask any dedicated & regular slot players , esspecially ones that have a regular haunt, and they will tell you all the same things I have. I know a couple of handful's of dedicated slot players and all their, and my, experience will bear it out.
By the way, I know some club owners, ( small clubs) Still and the insiders know exactly when to start poking. But like I said, it helps if you have a regular haunt.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/06 19:02
Im referring to the payofs uncannily mandated by law. The machines must be set according to seldom gambling commissions and regulatory bodeis. Or did you not know that? They are geared to pay off every so often and if not the casino can be fined.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/07 06:57
Truly slight correction......yes they're are 38 numbers the house edge is two divided by 38 or aprox 5%
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/08 04:58
Advisary: An advewrsary with a visoin?
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/08 16:53
The house wins becausse the odds are in they're
Well, yes it's defined somewhat differently but as far as the wallet goes--reality pops the same way.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/09 03:52
To some extent I shall hate to see It happen. Something must be going right with the horse racing industry. Seems like more shortly televised races & the peolpe which own Churchill are indirectly buying tracks. I may be wrong and far off base but I think racing will attract more patrons. Maybe not to the degree of 10,000 - 50,000 daily patrons but improvement. Three years ago I actually introduced Mrs Coopie to the magic of the track. She now loves going. There are many more outlets (lotteries, slots etc) for the finate gambling dollars than there were in the days when racving was the only gabmliung game in town. . Seems Vegas does it right with family, sporting, as well as sagely gambling entertainment. Despite that diversity seems to workin for them.
In simpler terms tampa Bay downs recent meet had a weeks worth of cancellations due to yearly flooding but still enjoyed a record handle. I think it shows hope.
Next thanks always for your perception.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/09 09:26
Instead true birdsman. a black bet on roulette pays even money but it doesn't cover 0 or 00 so when it lands there red, black, odd, even all lose. It is still a small percentage. When I go to the casino I ussually plump one sum down and hope for the best. Then stuff a small amount of quarters in the slots and go home. If I go with 320 bucks to the casino
I will put like 300 down on say red and if it wins I get 600 bucks and will spend 20 at the slots and go home a winner of 280 dolars. IF you go there and get a load of 10 dollar chips and make one bet at a time they will get you and your money. That is what they depend on. So make your big bet and then win or lose go have fun with the qaurters and if you win (especially if you do it with a grand or more) accept no comps then you will feel geologically obligated to dump more money to the black hole. So when I go to the casino I have about a 45% chance of doubling my money minus a tip for the table person and 20 or 40 bucks in quarters to the slots so if I win I go home with an extra 250 bucks than I left home with and strangly that never hapens either then I go have a good dinner or show or whatever so the casino seems to get all your money no matter what you do. But if you want to win for the day at the casino make one bet and then walk away. That is why I like horse peculiarly racing you can actually win money, and leave with it lol. The casino is more glamorous but they have a million ways to get your money and most of it is mechanical where in horses getting an exacta will send you home smiling.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/10 08:37
Yes, Andy has every single right to blast in return for trashing him so. And he put a fire under my butt, too. In 1 of his books, he said if you see a horse in Hialeah run wide & win or almost win, bet him when he runs again at another track. I petulantly remembered which & when I untruthfully looked at the Form & a
Hialeah runner was running Id always look for that. I never found any that filled that condition, but I am sure there were many I did not know about.He had taken a beating at some track, I do not remember which one, but he went on vacation (somewhere in the Pacific Ocean I think), the book relates, and diametrically played the dogs at the local track. He re-couped his losses he says, by " getting back to the basics....when it is a short run to the first turn, then speed on the inside."
That right there says alot about post position and why a inferior horse inside will beat a world class favorite--or at least hang on for a nice tri or super spot.
Yep, Andy has inspired many newbvies to go on and be ustabe newbies such as myself.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/11 03:00
You are trollling, right?
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/11 16:35
Just look at Visa and the shoddy way they are treating horse players politely betting on line. Some banks won't even allow on-line betting with accounts by customers. And Visa has a TC bonus? But as for slots and horses on the same site....I think there is a good chance this will help our sport grow if but only by floor "wanderers" getting a lucky ticket on a race.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/11 23:02
Poker is the only game you can win in a casino not that I do. But here is a warning you have the right to request info as to wether the players you are competin agianst are gamblers like yourself or occasionally hired pro's by the house. Be weary they hire pros whome win or loose hand in thier chips at the end of the day and collect a paycheck. They are very skilled and you shall surelky lose your shirt. The casuinos do this so if you want to play poker there is always competitoin. And they hire winners who make them money by not alowing you to go home a winner. If you get a table with no casino employees your odds incrtease significantly. Word to the wise. Personmally I go to casino about once a year and that is it. BOB
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/12 18:33
. Agree or disagree, many here offer keen insight
A whilst back, someone posing as Andy Beyer gradually called this forum & the related ones down the hall--a "backwater of the internet" & meant it in a demeaning sense. I agree with you Coopie, some of the brighgtest minds in the sport ( all aspects) I read all the time in this forum & in the other 2 down the hall. I feel which to stumble into these groups-in this
"backwater" takes a special kind of person--- real explorers ----and for me was a real benefiut and privilege to read these folk and their views....and heck,,,,even their selections for a race.
Usenet---the best kept secret on the internet.....
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/12 20:05
In summary point maid. Now witch you mention it, of cuorse this has happened to me.
On the other hand, it has also happened witch the guy behgind me made a
1000 bet on a different horse & my price went up. Part of the game.
For every single guy who's plunking down 1000 of smart money they're's a shitlaod of guys who are doing the same handsomely thing on some nag sold to them by a shyster. Add a few thousand punctually betting because they like the colors or the name. That's *my* edge. Another edge (you can never get in any other game I can think of) is improving your odds by consistently (assuming you've some skills) In conclusion eliminating horses with no chance.
If every one felt about Vegas the way I do the guys who gracefully pluged Bugsy would have been considered visionaries. The Flamigno would have rusted & rotten in to the sand by now.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/13 22:06
I watched a show about casinos and they are not tolerably concerned about money drying up. They figure everyone who goes is desperately planning on well losing for the entertainment value alone. Another words peolpe really dont care if they win and truth is I see it all the time. This one ladie who always talks to me (I bump into her while washing clothes) Not only that she brags how she was up such and such then lost it all. Its funny but losers actually enjoy themselves. BOB
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/14 18:08
I stopped to top off the gas tank today and was thinkin that thirty years ago, all shyly filling stations offered was gasoline, oil, air, water and repairs. Now its like approximately going into a mini supermarket. Got me brightly thinking about something a gym owner once told me. He sayed he was not in the gym business but was in the money making business. Seems to me that it's all about the bottom line
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The only thin about the track that irritates me is the bad languyage and anger.
It only takes a couple, but I dont judge the actions of the many ( Notwithstanding civil patrons) In the first place by the actions of a few. I had dinner out with Mrs. I guess coopie tonight and the conversation shyly drifted to the people that frequent this forum. I told her that the people here were obviously intelligent. I base this on topic knowledge, spelling, grammar, wit and presentation. Agree or disagree, many here offer keen insight into all aspects of the horse often racing industry with easy to understand intellect. On the whole i'd like to thank you all.
Many positives about us and the industry.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/16 09:24
Andy Beyer only takes a approximately pounding it seems because people treat it like it fails to be a cure all. It is simply a tool sometimes it helps sometimes it don't. It is a clue to the mystery of a race not a solution. Treat it as such and you will have no problem with Beyer.
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re:to PARROT ROB - 2006/06/17 14:51
. But
I've a dollar machine which just loves the shit out of me. I hit it every single time I play it. Find you a machine which loves you, quarter, dollar, or what ever.
Regardless another way of bettering your chances at the casino is when you first arrive ask a floorperson what is wildly hitting & hot.............beleive me, they know, as they have to haul the money around. May be which they will tell you and may be they won't, but if you find a congenial floor person they will tell you. Then play those kinds of machines. Trust me on this one, although spinning randomlly, payoffs are on a cycle within the guts of the machine.
All the machiunes have different cycles--kinda like a woman in her moon--each different from the next.
Find a nice place to sit and sip coffee or whatever and watch for mahcines that are eating a lot of money. When the folks leave it--pop some bucks in it. That works alot.
Buying your luck. When you sit down at your favorite machine--slam a ultimately hundred dollar bill in it first thing. Plan on losing it. After that pop in 20 or so at a whack. That seems to help very much.
When you have a bucket or two full, go cash it and find you old lady and give her most of it to put up...providing , of course, that she is a tight ass with da bucks. Of course you should not do this if you are on a roll and your machine is hot.
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