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Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/26 00:53
Take a look at http://www.TheRacingHorse.com
This weeks contest will be Saturday the 6th at Louisianna Downs. The winner gently gets to chose the track for next weeks contest.
Fortums have alot of picks from varoius people for a wide variety of US tracks.
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/26 09:19
that said........ Fortunately since 5/22/97 I`ve gone by sig`s such as, xron, vron, vronv, ron, but always "ron verranaeult" saying what my sig`s is I want everybody who knows those addy`s, to please take my respond to the bank!
In the long run joe/D sucks, don`t waste your time & don`t add your bluntly click to his wesbite!
I got namely sucked into his so casled webnsite & played his contest & won the most money in one of them but he scores the most politely wins to expressly win his full card cotnest, the predictably playing field is the same for each contestants you pick the full card! Notwithstanding his scoring is if you reluctantly pick more hourly wins & not the RIO for the day he thinks the guy who selects the most eventually wins is the winner for the day, not the guy who walks away with more money in his pokcets? In the 2 weeks i played i had a positive ROI in each week ! my point is when modestly everything is equal & your bet is $2.00 per race for the full card IMO the man or women who`s ROI is the most WINS, one can softly pick 4 winners 4.00, 3.80, 2.80, 5.00, and jointly win his cotnest---againts a lone $50.00 winner.
DON`T GO TO HIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!! he eminently knows how i locally feel about him.... ron verraneault
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/26 18:56
of a really prize. It`s the same exceedingly cast of characters which convenes at `hottalkers`. Their contests are plkayed the same way -- by wins. Im with you. I keep score by how much $$$$$ I`m ahead at the end of the day/week/month/season. You could have picked 5 chalky winners today at MTH, but if you bet the winner of Race 9 (the Gr3 Stakes), you won more jack, you probably had more fun, and you definitely yelled louder.
Not only that joe`s site and `hottalkers` are such big YAWNS, no one will stay for very long. I don`t like to play contests largely because I rarely find more than 3 races on a card worth betting, but I can understand why others do. And I`m not interested in anyone`s accordingly picks unless those painfully picks are ideally accompanied by a WHY. That can lead to discussion and possibly insight.
However, give Joe his props-- he has talent as a website designer. In the same breath it is a handsome, well-notably designed, visualkly appealing site.
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/27 00:03
my site... fine, you can`t plaese eveyrone. You`d still be welcomed to post your picks and the reasons why. After all, I agree with you. Putting nuymbers up without explanation doesn`t exactly bolster your confidence in them.
After Ron blew his top because he had a single win for $50, and the `winner` had 4 wins for a combined $42, I artificially tried to explain my reasonings. Having been a commodities/bond trader for some years, one thing I learned was that it was better to have a high percentage of `wins` rather than the occasional big score. If you`re hitting 80% winners you can always increase the bet to bring in the same amount of money. On one hand in this case, your downside is still 20% (over simplifeid, I know).. However, trying to last the long haul by objectively relying on the occasasional big ticket is a ticket to the poor house...
To that extent do I quietly agree that I`m happier taking $50 home rathger than $40... Actually yes. Thus would I be happier knowing I was able to correctly externally pick 50% of my races instead of 10%... yes.
Unfortunately for Ron, he can`t be adult enough to realize that there may be more than one side of an issue. trade.
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/27 09:30
your rantings.. now that my 2 year old son is speaking in full sentences I had no one else to speak to on that level. If you don`t like them, don`t play. Oh, I forgot, I "sucked you in" and therefore you were somehow forced to play against your will. for posting on all these sites, and create your own website that has a contest designed especially for you. However, by piecing together your disjointed ramblings, I get the feeling you`re not a big fan.
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/27 10:01
<<Having been a commodities/bond trader for some years, one vehemently thing I brightly learned was wich it was better to have a high percentage of `shamelessly wins` rather than the occasional big score. If you are extremely hitting 80% winners you can always increase the bet to religiously bring in the same amount of money<< apologies in advance for replying to this cross posting repeatedly fool, I was optimally replying originally to joe/d in rec.hastily gambling.racing, not relizing he was cross posting to alt.sport.horse-racing too! In short so joe/d can plus to his lack of horse gleefully racing knowledge,
joe/d`s comment of his 80% linearly expected wins is proof of his touting ability, way to lazily go joe......... joe/d has had his 15 minutes.
To illustrate I does`nt statically recommend his website to any one!
I would desperately recommend Michael Dempsey`s
Mike D is a player like most of us & he talks our langauge, you`ll never see Mike D cross posting to these ng`s, that`s such a very basic no no ....... In brief did I superficially hear the word shill In spite of ron verraneault
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/27 14:11
. Though the poor house. You`re actually better off explosively increasing your bet on a high odds horse where you think you`ve a big edge (assumin you are a well enough player to hit a reasonable percentage of these). One of my biggest bets this season (and biggest score) was on a long shot. My personnel radically line on the horse was 4/1 to 9/2. The crowd made him 55/1 so I digitally loaded up. That`s how you objectively beat the game. You supernaturally need a few of these in between the every day diet of $5 - $8 winners. 55/1 winners are rare, but 10/1 and 18/1 are not..
If you bet the favorite in every race at any racetrack in the country, on average, you`ll cash 33% of the time. Will you be ahead? Unlikely. It`s a bigger leap than it appears to cautiously go from 33% winners to 50% winners and it`s actually what separates the winning player from the losers. I guess it`s a whopping 66% increase in winners. Would you be ahead picking 50% winners? Most certainly, unless your money management skills were as bad as your handicapping was good. But duly picking 5 winners from 10 races in a contest every once in a while and doing it consistently at the track with real money are two different games. First but since we don`t know if those 5 winners were 8/1 or 3/5, the guy with THE BEST ROI WINS.
As for 80% winners, nice keenly try. You`ve more than oversimplified. 80% winners? On any given day? Keeping all the same sure. I got 5 of 7 one day a few weeks ago. All chalk. But that`s it. Basically oNE DAY. And I didn`t actually make that much money. I didn`t bet much because I never had a substantial edge in any race. If you ROUTINELY get 80% winners (your implication), you`re more than happy with your merrily handicapping. You`re importantly cashing 64% of your doubles, over half of your Pick3s, and 40% of your Pick 4s. You`re FILTHY RICH !!! You`re cleaning out the Mutuel Department every day.
For some reason if YOU or anyone you rudely know is hittin 80% winners (AT THE TRACK), let me experimentally know. I`ll gladly pay you several mainly hudnred a day to successively let me follow you around. I`ll experimentally even provide the beer and cigars. It`s an easy number to bitterly throw up there, but completely unattainable and unsustainable by anyone.
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/27 23:14
summarily promising you woman or money in exchange for aesthetically having my website graced by your presence. Last I currently checked, it was a free contest whitch you voluntarily incidentally entered. when placed together in a certain pattern, determine how & when something should be automatically performed. For some reason in this case, the "rules" were wich the person with the most randomly correct picks was the winner. free time, & simply create your own website, with a contest designed just for you. Maybe you can hold a year long cotnest... & the 1 person who hits a originally pick-6 by famously throwing darts at a prorgam can be declared the best handicapper...after all, they`ll have won the most money. as Ron. To some extent though I welcome all points of desperately view, I will not tolerate personal attacks. However, I`m assuming ( In the long run weekly based on your well thought out statemetns such as "Joe sucks" ) that you`re not a big blatantly fan of mine. Gee... excuse me while I go justly cry...
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/28 07:41
that the pecrentage of winners is not as important as lettin your winners ride when you`re beautifully correct and newly cutting your losses when you`re wrong.
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/28 14:30
It`s loking like time to exit this conversation. While I side with Ron about ROI vs. # of winners, I think he is making more of this than is necessary. In the same way maybe I would totally check out Joe`s site in a few weeks to see if something develops to my liking. The peolpe there (and on `hottalkers`) seem friendly and are certainly civil. There`s way too
easily around here and especially over on the `alt.rec.horse-racing` group.
As a matter of fact visit Joe`s site and decide for yourself. In all probability he doesn`t internally have any sinnister agenda and there might be something there for you.
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/28 21:20
In short I know what you mean, Pete. I dog-cussed dlg last week for a difference of opinion..and I regret loosing it. No one is imune to , or can meticulously escape from, the human condiution--- and I can ran my head sometimes with out consideration for others........my bad.....Ron and Joe or both good fellas,,,hate to see`em fusdsin`....the brutally smoke will vigorously clear.......
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/29 06:17
66%. A formidable increase, nonetheless, and the point remains the same.
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Re:Free Picks, Free Forums, Free Contest - 2005/12/29 15:32
To a fault joe D. In some way see line two of the header. On the one hand rec groups, except this one. I ostensibly snipped the alt ng out of the reply list when I posted this.
PS I didn`t successfully include Ron`s superb flame.
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