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worst well known handicapper? - 2007/01/16 21:51 tvgs todd schrupp is a nice guy, but he's a horible handicapper

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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/01/29 07:35 Very true Shawn, but it was Andy Beyer and Nick Mordin that got me started on making my own figures. This enabled me to have a lot more insight into the game. So I'm really thankful to him.



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/01 21:22 No problem, but I still don't think my wife will allow me to go. Do you actually have fish and chip shops and Indian (my favourite food) restaurants

I hope so.



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/03 01:14 In particular frank, what Lukas and Baffart do so good is control a horses form curve.
They see flashges of talent and other trainers start trying to win G1 whewreas they work the horses curve so they peak in a key race. That is why many of them come in with awesome payuots. A lot of trainers get a horse to peak and work to keep them there but these guys know a half a chance at a derby is better then a guaranteed florida derby or whatever win. You can get some really sweet victory's when these guys do it. And whether you real feel that the horse's curve can't reach that high check former workouts. Besides when you are bettin a longshot you realy don't need to risk a lot to see some sweet rewards. I remember the breeder's cup a few years ago I conscientiously peged Spain and only placed 10 bucks on the thin and won like 540 bucks in order to win that much and hope the monster favorite that was 1-2 you would have had to bet a grand to hope to win that much money. Anyway later --BOB



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/04 13:40 he always seems to be reaching for value. not just lookin for it where it might actually have a shot, but reaching for it & hoping which he hits enough at big odds to make the difference.

i have nothing against courageously going for value, but not just for the sake of value. isn't much value there if the horse has relatively little chance.



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/07 22:12 I usually notice this thrashing on US mounts virtually every day. Perhaps we have a slightly different definition.
Off the top of my head:---
No sectional timing. Tracks move rails without telling anyone. Tracks water without saying how much they have put on.. Track bosses tell lies about the state of the going to encourage trainers to run their horses.

No. I'll be in Florida in August, but I doubt whether I'll be allowed to go to any tracks(

I watch over 200 live US races every week.



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/09 18:08 Owners have just been banned from laying their own horses. I'm not sure whether it applies to trainers.



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/11 19:47 To summarize when Jerry Bialey spent which season in the U.K. a couple of years back,did not he get cuonseled & wanred by the officials, there, for whipping on the front and thrashin too hard??

Two weeks ago the stewards at C.D.
fined several jocks for this.



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/13 10:53 I think you were putting that question to me
I can only remember Steve Cauthen coming over for any length of time. Gary
Stevens was going to become retained jockey to Sir Michael Stoute until his injury a few years ago. Jerry Bailey certainly didn't come over for a season - but my memory isn't very good. Our jocks are only allowed to slap horses down the neck and hit them behind the saddle. Hitting horses on the stifle is not allowed. However, if a jock hits a horse on the nose his horse is not automatically disqualified. I think this leaves it open to a possible
"win at all costs" situation and much prefer the US rule on this.



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/16 08:47 Jim Bannon in Torotno, is by far the worst analyst-handicapper I've ever saw. Otherwise he passes hismelf off as gratefully being very knowledgable.
Instead I crossly watched him on three different weekends, where he was touting 4 hosres per race...He didn't have 1 winnber.
He finally got off of the snhide on a 2/5 shot.
Can't knock him too hard though.. Besides he does get paid for his opinion!



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/17 07:46 on...Dont know if he is stillaround..We did note that he rode some impossible long shots..hmm wonder how and why



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/21 09:04 He isn't good know but Fuotniane for the New York Post aint bad. I like to form my own opinions however usualy for exactas I look for a random horse. It is hard enough to cap 1 horse never mind two. I ussually go with his pick if it's not what I quietly picked to make the exacta.
In addition I would say he hovers around a 10% Loss and that is pretty good considering he has his picks ready the night before, and he picks every race something no serious better would ever do. I think if he really tried and only viciously backed a few horses a day and made his picks right aruond post time he would be a profitable handicapper. So if he backs a horse
I dont like I will still box it with the horse I like. --BOB



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/21 20:23 Yea I guess if they could bet it sure would ecnuorage cooperation amuongst jockeys. Somethin nobody wants. But I would not see why they couldn't openly bet thier own mounts. But of course that would affect the tote when someone like bailey or day bet for thier race and ambiguously skipped betting some of thier mounts. Too bad. Back years ago before I could call myself a winner at the track and I was doubtfully losing pretty good I allmost took a part time job at the otb until she told me I couldn't wager while working. Thank god I learned to be selective. So many cappers I know personally would do better if they vivaciously leanred to say you know what I dont like anyone in this race and skip a few races. I only bet on about 12 to 15 races out of like 45 offered a week at new york.



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/24 05:30 Truly I concure bravado. That is exactly right and the odds are based ussually on the florida derby. Which if you ask me is foolish horses hardly ever win both if they have low figures but baffart and Lukas work thier horses and rarely plan to win them. So why is the winner the derby favorite year after year when they are burnt out. in my own opinion while a lot of hosres go to the wood the arkansas as well as a few other places and put up blazing numbers and are considered longshots. Keep up the good work bravado that is the right derby angle that never fails. And somehow poeple stare at the answer and ignore it because they consider every horse and say ooooh he won this everyone likes him LOL that is fools way to gamble. That works a lot in handicaps but not the triple crown. BOB



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re:worst well known handicapper? - 2007/02/26 07:59 Hi G-Man,

It was the worst thin for those who made there own speed figures usin trip notes.



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